I awoke in Los Angeles with a small jet delay and set up a recreation plan that allowed me to depart from the noticeable poem critic Marjorie Perloff when the storm came out within the morning and actually shook the house.
I've never seen such rain. Stepping into the automotive was like an action adventure film. I made my means down the floodplain with windshield wipers in the hyperspeed, and questioned for the sight that the muscle disc swept towards me and swallowed it all. I used to be positive the world would end before Marjorea and I might even begin.
However when the motorway was out of the grey cloud above Hollywood, the exit ramp led virtually magically to Brentwood. The air and roads have been 100% dry once I pulled Marjorie here. What a storm?
As a small poet who carried out an interview with an enormous poet critic, I knew I used to be out of my league. At greatest, I hoped for a standard floor. Perhaps slightly little bit of compassion. Smile. However I shortly discovered that "it's not just a great moment for poetry." Ouch.
Where did I feel I used to be going to explore this smile? For a way of connection? In his current e-book, Ironian Edge, a handful of very troublesome Austrian writers, including the infinitely confused Vienna thinker Ludwig Wittgenstein? In his controversial Unoriginal Genius publication, was the inadvertence of the conceptual poetry movement explored? In his memo- ration that he flees from European nudification as a toddler? His landmark in his early guide concerning the poet Frank O & Hara? Or perhaps the scandalous Carl Andre pattern that he and I each spent a variety of time contemplating retrospective listing of the large Dia Artwork Basis in 2014.
I simply didn’t predict that Marjorie would give his guard instantly and utterly, and that we might go easily in. and out of a lot of the subjects that got here up. Nor can we giggle a lot concerning the stories of buddies like John Ashbery and John Cage – the early results that still make me need to be a poet once I develop up.
Three hours later, most of all stated officially. However once I packed it, I noticed that the majority of our dialog would in all probability need to be left on document. My phrases have been "Don't worry, I'll clean it. Then we can decide which bridges we really want to burn." he stood
Jeremy Sigler: What's subsequent for you
Marjorie Perloff:?.. I do not know I'm so previous I cannot stop scientific articles and books, writing
JS. But Marjorie, do you are feeling still the youngest out of hand and virtually. the whole lot you say or write arouses confusion. ] JS: I went to Charles Bernstein the opposite day in the Brooklyn neighborhood, he’s a poet I know we each admire and don’t seem to be too disenchanted with poetry.
MP: Charles and I’ve fantastic conversations about what's happening within the poem. As a poet he naturally needs a whole lot of work, however I discover it troublesome to simply accept. Look, when the language faculty of poetry started, Charles was a radical, opposing poet who exploded brilliantly within the "official culture" as he referred to as. However now, unfortunately, much of what he beforehand condemned, such as the "theory of poetry transit – from me to you," has returned with revenge. Now the criterion of poetry is again very romantic, filled with testimony of private ache and struggling in relation to gender, race or incapacity, and so forth.
JS: Yes. However it have to be politically right ache. Try to brutally write an trustworthy politically misguided ebook of confessional poetry, even when you have good irony and self-squeezing humor, and see how far you get. Proper now solely certain individuals can say sure things.
MP: Once I had lunch a short while in the past, I turned on the news after which modified the channel shortly to TCM to observe the previous movie!
JS: I'm not blaming you. As a way to keep within the present pressure, you have to be ready to take the hazmat go well with and sweep by means of this poisonous slurry. I’ve to admit that my urge for food disappeared as much as the New York Occasions and NPR for, and now I have set myself a pure Franz Schubert's food plan. Talking of music, can we speak about your current interview with the Brazilian musician Caetano Veloso? I’m an enormous fan. However I can't think about that he would truly meet him personally.
MP: Oh, we really hit it once I was in Rio a couple of years in the past. I really like him! Caetano is a really famous composer / singer who combines pop and avant-garde parts. And he was in touch with Augustus and Haroldo de Campos, two Brazilian concrete poet, which I’ve written for years. They usually introduced him to Ezra's pound work.
JS: How did the relationship with Caetano develop?
MP: We did a reside chat on the 2016 Trendy Language Association in Austin, Texas. Lots of my colleagues have been skeptical and questioned who would hear such an unlikely couple speaking. And have you learnt who came? In addition to MLA members, the Hilton Lodge employees took time and heard Caetano! It was just a room. Individuals crawl walls. And it was great as a result of Roland Greene's objective, which was the MLA President in 2016 and the person who launched me to Brazilian poetry, was to succeed in out to a wider viewers, beyond the audience of English academics and college students.
JS: And your latest ebook, Edian of Irony, can also be reaching the general public.
MP: Sure. Although the ebook shouldn’t be particularly for the American audience, the e-book is common in Poland as anyplace else.
JS: You point out how this versatile, multilingual and broad geographic tradition shrunk right into a nationalist, mainly conservative Germanic region, virtually overnight. Examine its lowered type to the chart
MP: And I concentrate on a number of the 19th century Vienna writers, reminiscent of Robert Musil, Karl Kraus, Paul Celan, Joseph Roth and Elias Canet.
JS:… who were not formally so radical that they didn't use collage or the circulate of consciousness, and so on., however used more typical varieties hooked up to irony. They have been what you call "the irony of the wild and grotesque comic". The moments of your guide are comic, however general it is rather disturbing.
JS: Because it offers with anti-Semitism. And the battles of so many writers, some of them Jewish, and yet manifestly anti-Semitic. The whole lot could be very worrying. At some point (before World Warfare II) they lived in a reasonably liberal and really Jewish society, after which this unprecedented battle for Nazism.
MP: Properly, like Karl Kraus, the Jews definitely flourished earlier than the World Conflict. But as early because the early 20th century, as Joseph Roth points out in lots of his brief tales, there were already swindles in all places, and brochures from summer time data had already made it clear that Jews couldn’t be accepted.
JS: The Anti Semitism was present all the time.
MP: Yes, since 1933, when Hitler got here to energy, the Jews have been persecuted in a means that now appears incomprehensible. I hear about this or this microaggression at present. And I need to reply: “Do you know what is worse than microaggression? Makragressio. ”
JS: What's the distinction?
MP: A micro group is an unintentional small one that has no privilege, often a member of a minority group. And such micro-aggressions in our culture affect deep-seated prejudices. However macro-aggression is just not a question of violating words, however of open and damaging action towards someone.
JS: Brute drive. As a toddler, your family was pressured out of Vienna. You're definitely a macro financial system victim
MP: Sure. Even my own youngsters and grandchildren don’t perceive what it meant as a refugee from Vienna, day after day, and utterly without warning – and depart our flats in Vienna, depart all our property, and by some means cross the borders with Switzerland, because there isn’t a concept what we’ll finally settle for! After which you need to flee to a wierd country (USA) and begin once more.
JS: And here we are sitting in this fantastic home on this beautiful part of Los Angeles  MP: Nicely, it's half a century later. And there was a minimum of some luck right here. We had been pretty dangerous for years after arriving in america. I couldn’t reserve abnormal center-class things like skates and solely two or three clothes. Solely many years later my heart specialist and husband received an inexpensive revenue and I also had a superb professor wage, although I’m not wealthy.
JS: To return to my e-book, I discovered the last chapter of Wittgenstein to be notably fascinating.
MP: Certainly, why? He's my hero.
JS: I do not likely want him, but I all the time discovered his biography confused.
MP: Was it his conversion to Christianity? Or that his father did so much in the Austrian oil business?
JS: I feel it was his gesture to provide away his heritage! And after World Warfare II he appeared to surrender philosophy to grow to be a gardener after which a main faculty instructor in a rural faculty.
MP: It was within the hope that main a traditional life would make him a greater individual
JS: But he typically lost his character and swept the boxing into the young scholar's ear. And this made him shoot.
MP: But his idealistic objective was definitely admirable, and Wittgenstein was all the time as onerous as himself. I feel he was a mannequin of self-examination in some ways. Understand that he was struggling throughout his life and that he all the time felt alienated from his setting – first from Vienna, then from Cambridge. After which, unusually, his last phrases have been, "Tell them I have had a wonderful life."
JS: He died of most cancers on the age of 52 years. There was a lot melancholy and suicide in the family. I get the sensation that he was tortured, how he wrote the books time and again. Are you positive he was not ironic when he referred to his life as "wonderful?"
MP: No. I feel he believed it absolutely. In a sense, he was a "wonderful life" because he was capable of make a real contribution to philosophy and "become a different person". He labored exhausting to overcome the shortcomings of the nature of the work: like his impatience with others, his shamelessness, and what he considered laziness.
However I consider he was tortured ultimately because he was within the closet for his homosexuality. He tried arduous to disclaim it to himself and to others all through his life. The query of sexuality was full, especially in his early years, as the key magazines testify. She teased herself as a lot as masturbating. Like his idol Tolstoy, he dreamed of being "pure." So when he says, "I want to be a different person," he means he needs to steer a less vigorous, loner life – a life relatively than an excellent job.
JS: I assumed that his concept of turning into a "different person" with assimilation – the destruction of its Jewish ethnic origin. I saw his motivation to take the soldier and struggle in the warfare. I am reminded of Roth's The Radetzky Marchia, who describes a really trendy Jew who buys his son as a cavalry from the Fee as a result of, in any case, the cavalry was an indication of an aristocrat.
MP: Query The Jew had been struck by him unexpectedly until the early 1930s, when he needed to admit to himself that he belonged to a persecuted spiritual and ethnic group. He had brought out a Catholic, and he all the time beloved – despite the fact that he didn’t consider utterly – Christianity. Like most of the wealthy, cultivated Jews in Vienna, he was himself a quite anti-Semitic.
In the tactic, Wittgenstein says, "The importance of the world must be outside the world", which is a tremendous statement.  JS: In different words, you’ll be able to't give solutions to many life questions once you stay.
Wittgenstein's biography is a very superb story. And so is Marjorie. I found the 2004 memo, the paradox of Vienna. Typically I hope to write down a autobiography. I'm curious how you are feeling concerning the biographies of poets basically.
MP: Nicely, autobiography is one factor, however biographical criticism could be very misleading. Roland Barthes was right in the early 1960s to proclaim "the death of the author." All he really meant was that work could not be considered the belief of features of the writer's life, which was the standard type of educational criticism. totally different "Life & Letters" collection which might be so widespread. The work itself was not thought-about a mere life.
JS: And you've all the time been a critic, not a biographer
MP: Sure, I have a ebook referred to as Circling the Canon that covers the two ebook choices I wrote between 1969 and 2017. It comes out of New Mexico University's press.
JS: Nice title. But shouldn't it’s: Canon Circling? Marjorie Perloff is Canon. Exhausting and correct
MP: I have taken the hits. But the first volume has various moderately destructive critiques that begin from the very first – The Far Point by Anthony Hecht's The Exhausting Hours for the now defined Canadian. At that time, I was important and skim every thing I might get on a specific matter. And I assumed I had to be trustworthy so long as I might again up my judgments. So I obtained into hassle. Nevertheless, I have to admit that I will return and assessment these previous estimates in any case these years, I have by no means modified my mind.
JS: It's very fascinating. I’ve this sense of worry of a few critiques a decade ago. Perhaps I used to be just a little too harsh. The painter once stated that I had knocked him out of his horse, and my reply was that I had not expected that he would ever hassle to learn the evaluate.
MP: Don't feel dangerous. Lots of my harsh evaluations have been criticism from colleagues, resembling Helen Vendler and Harold Bloom. It is unusual to learn these estimates now, because I’ve come to circulate both of them a lot more. Both of them care a lot about poetry, and this passion is finally most essential to me.
In any case, my evaluate modified when some 100 books have been despatched to the omnibus evaluate, David Shapiro and Ron Padgett's anthology of New York poets
JS: I really like this e-book. And its cover. Letters are made by hand and include small illustrations of cherries, plugs and butterflies. Joe Brainard is, in fact.
MP: Sure! Then I fell in love with Frank O! I introduced her in my assessment. And then I might take a look at virtually every little thing I needed for the brand new Republic. Lately are gone endlessly. My editor was writer and critic Doris Grumbach. He is still alive, over 100 and lives in Maine. Anyway, Doris was an unimaginable guide editor, very adventurous. Once I needed to examine something, I simply ask Doris, and he says principally: "Go ahead, check it." It might never occur now.
JS: Do you need to guess? Once I referred to as to interview you, the editor wrote again in less than 30 seconds, "Go straight forward. I really like him. ”Not Asked.
MP: Wow! I’m stunned and grateful that it is true. In any case, I checked Frank O Haran Artwork Chronicles for the New Republic. In response, Michael Braziller, son of the exceptional publisher George Braziller, wrote me and stated, "How would you want to write down Frank O & # 39; And I assumed this was engaging. I didn't need to write a biography as a result of I'm not likely a biographer. O my Hara e-book is a important introduction. And when the individuals of Braziller learn my first character, they weren’t so completely satisfied as a result of they needed me to convey more biography. But I was reluctant because O & # 39; Hara's premature demise – he was hit by a fireplace in the shore and was solely 40 – was plenty of romantic and tense speculation, and I didn't need to participate in all this. 19659002] JS: However your e-book is a bit personal, yes?
MP: Sure. Though I consider I’m scientific, I can’t write strange private, equitable educational text. I used to be colleagues once I taught in Catholic U, who never ask themselves in the event that they appreciated their books: They only taught them. I feel it's unimaginable. I simply train what I really like. I have been educating trendy poetry, and I cannot assume that I should cover each "leading" the poet. I don't often depart Robert Frost.
I was as soon as an amazing Virginia Woolf fan: I truly wrote my M.A. dissertation on Woolf, but through the years I got here across to seek out some fiction too. At Stanford we had a primary research course, which was all the time completed with the Lighthouse. I informed enjoyably school meeting: "I am completely happy to teach a course so long as I do not need to incorporate the lighthouse. My colleagues looked at me extremely, as I might say, how dare you say that?
JS: Let me guess: you'd somewhat end up with Gertrude Stein
MP: Sure, Gertrude Stein would have been fantastic! At Stanford I as soon as gave a doctoral seminar to Stein, and the originally mystified students came to love him. We even act on one among his plays. His work is toughness and delicate, endlessly difficult. However onerous to put many readers away.
JS: One way or the other his heritage has come up to now, even with out individuals figuring out his writing so nicely. And he was also involved about biography and autobiography.
MP: Like his biography. But typically biography generates myths. My pricey pal and main William Carlos Williams scientists Emily Mitchell Wallace believes that the suggestion made by totally different biographers that Williams had many additional-marital points is just not true. He thinks that so-referred to as proofs in poems with such erotic moments are largely fantasy.
JS: I feel I share this idea, though I'm unsure where it comes from. Perhaps because Williams was a physician and pediatrician, like my dad, I often assume he lived in a healthy life and that he was a very good guy.
MP: I wouldn't have referred to as him right. He was common on the Walter Arensberg salon. He was a part of a bohemian circle. And poems like pretty lyric in the spring and all that begin with "What about all this writing?" Dramatize the love between nurse and hospital-based mostly doctor. Is Williams From His Life? We will't be certain and it doesn't matter. In Voices and Visions, there is a fantastic scene the place Allen Ginsberg tells this poem ("O Kiki! / Miss Margaret Jarvis!") Strolling by way of an empty hospital. I really like handy over Ginsberg's local weather strains. “I was a nightgown. / I watched. ”
JS: You say that the textual content does not necessarily produce correct life info. It is fascinating that Ginsberg is a type of guide because he’s both Out and a poet of the whole lot. He by no means seems to have anything to cover. Though he was initially troublesome, he taught himself to be very daring. So in this sense he was not likely enigmatic. Returning to Ludwig Wittgenstein. He was a thriller.
MP: True. Take, for example, a cottage that he had in Norway and was out of reach of the fjord in any center. And the question is why did he typically depart Cambridge and go there to be alone? As soon as I examined it, the reality came out that he was typically not alone. She was often there with her many pals.
JS: Actually? So discovering this should affect. It modifications our idealized concept of pure, hermetic mind at work.
MP: Proper. And I dared to point out this in Vienna, which continues to be a very conventional place in this respect. And all cried. And the program supervisor stated, "You know, with philosophers, we don't believe their life has anything to do with their philosophy." Once I was educating in Innsbruck for a short time, there was a researcher who was also very pious. And he stated things like "we don't want to talk about these things, time." And so I by no means introduced it again.
JS: It feels like my experience with the Dia Art Foundation once I was working on a Carl Andre retrospective listing (Sculpture as Place: 1958-2010). There were sure things that shouldn’t be talked about. Like his trial within the 1980s, his artist Ana Mendieta's untimely dying.
MP: Carl Andre's biography is definitely problematic. It isn’t a typical case.
JS: He has a terrible suspicious suspicion round him. It might turn a critical considering educational mass into a noir-seeker. There isn’t a doubt that the occasion has elevated its mystery and brought an unreliable sublayer to poetry and artwork.
MP: Whenever you first invited me to put in writing Andrei's poetry to Dia, I didn't know a lot about him. That's why I needed to take on the duty. I really like something I don't know. It’s now clear that the life of Andrei is all the time destroyed by his terrible tragedy. It is quite clear that one thing horrible occurred. Two have been very drunk. That they had a screaming match. But it’s quite potential that Ana Mendieta jumped out of the window, as Andre claims.
JS: We by no means know.
MP: But in such a case I consider in the regulation. In other words, since Andre was launched, we should respond accordingly. The jury just isn’t the answer. And God knows that Andrea was punished for what occurred when he was expelled from america for decades, and that he has little attention abroad and that he’s being handled as a pair right here at house. In the identical method I feel O.J. Simpson.
JS: Oh, boy! We actually get to it now.
MP: Properly, I followed the Simpson case rigorously, especially when his home was about five minutes away from the residence and barely prevented the countless speak concerning the homicide and trial. However I especially admire Ezra Edelman's movie O.J.: Made in America, which understands the complexities and irony of the Saga. In fact, Simpson had been responsible of Nicole's murder. I despise Dream Workforce and their sorts of techniques O.J. off the hook. In the meantime, Edelman's film exhibits how O.J. was pushed to do what he did. He was / is a tragic figure given his nice potential
JS: Is it attainable that poetry critics are drawn to tragic figures? You converse O.J. as if he have been a written protagonist.
MP: Perhaps. What I’ve greater than something is that when he was eliminated, I feel it was cruel to his neighbors right here in Brentwood hound him wherever he went and transported signs of "Exit, murderer!" And so on. And the day by day nausea at fuel stations and buying facilities was definitely a racist part.
JS: What different poetry biographies are you interested by?
MP: Nicely John Ashbery died just lately and his biographies are at work. Karen Rothman, the writer of the biography of Ashbery (first launch, second coming), was just lately within the metropolis and interviewed me. I feel he's doing an incredible job and I take pleasure in an ideal interview. At the similar time, I could not assume that biographers have to be cautious to not rely too much on interviews as a result of everyone who interviews does not likely tell the reality, as we see.
JS: As of now, you are attempting to be truthful, however you stick. And inevitably, the journalists additionally determine to maintain us back, in all probability for their very own profit. I typically don't like enough. I like telling the story and beginning to exaggerate and beautify the truth.
MP: Positive! However the objective of biography is to be precise. And trustworthy. And when Karen asked me how I felt John's late poetry, it was troublesome. I'm not going to say (as I’m afraid I consider) that in a later poem there’s a certain fall. Nor do I need to mention in the biography saying that perhaps John has revealed too many books in the previous few many years, although it might. So I stored silent in such issues, as I'm positive most individuals. Subsequently, the biography of the dwelling (or lately lifeless) have to be careful not to rely an excessive amount of on interviews. The interviewee might have quite a bit at stake
JS: I truly worked with John Ashbery as secretary for a couple of years at the start of the millennium. If Karen Rothman asked me about an interview, I might just try to give her an trustworthy but comical image of the day in John Ashbery's life. In order that he might see what he was a boyfriend, he was.
MP: In fact he was. He additionally had an exquisite humorousness.
JS: Especially when he had a couple of drinks in him
MP: I have a very good story. Quickly after Getty opened her new position on the hill, she visited me and walked in a portray assortment that was still fairly spotty, as John said, telling her husband David (Kermani) on the telephone: they know they actually have paintings.
MP: Once I was dinner, John made himself a drink or two. And then at dinner (we had six of us), she started to really feel fairly wild and requested the poet Ralph Angel, who was present, to take her residence. As Ralph stored him out for the night time, John rotated and identified one of the best Blanche DuBois -mallissaan: "I have always depended on the kindness of visitors." It was so fun!
JS: Blanche DuBois? I've all the time described it as "his master Magoo-ish tone." He used this comedian shout when he was completely satisfied helpless. Look, I've by no means received the meant reference. You assume it makes rather more sense. I hear him nonetheless. He asked me in the same voice, "What are you going to be when you grow up?"
MP: It's very candy.
JS: I do know. It was cute. We two have been a sort of felony. We might take the entire morning to open the mail. He finally ended up saying a couple of letters to me. I may need written the newest couple of poems on the computer. But when David have been to exit, he would say a criminal offense, we crawl the wine cupboard. And then we actually brush our tooth within the rest room when David was on his means back to the elevator. It's like that. I'd wish to try to make JA's life really feel like a TV page. It’s one thing he really appreciated.
MP: Nevertheless it's a partial view, isn't it? Ashbery, which I knew, may be very introspective and thoughtful. And unsure.
JS: Good Point.
MP: And in the direction of the top of his life, which his associates advised me, he was apparently fairly depressed, fearful if he may need been unsuccessful. His books have been not frequently reviewed, and he felt as if he was previous age.
JS: And he obtained more attention than another New York poets together.
MP: One other great favourite throughout this time is John Cage. And though he has acquired a variety of attention, I just lately promised his letters, and I don't assume he's acquired him. I'd like to put in writing a ebook – though not a biography! – Cage. My drawback doesn't know enough about music.
JS: I turned very near the Fluxus artist Alison Knowles, and began in Cage class at New Faculty. This has all the time led to Cage being, above all, a instructor.
MP: Yes, I agree. His work is an indeniable pedagogical activity. And the Fluxus individuals held their Cage coach.
MP: I’ve learn the letter once more selected the east of [Wesleyan]they usually assure me that Cage is known plenty of abuse. Individuals do not understand how enjoyable loving and committed he was, as in the fascinating letters of Paris after World Warfare II, to his mother and father. For too long Cage has been thought-about a sort of disciplined Zen thinker
JS:… sage. Hiljaisuuden profeetta
MP: täsmälleen. Mutta Cage ei pitänyt siitä lainkaan. Hänen viime vuosiinsa asti hän poltti ja joi paljon ja rakasti hyvää ruokaa. Hän oli äärimmäisen käytännöllinen ja silmät palkinnolla. Hän edisti taidettaan hyvin huolellisesti. Hän käytti hyväkseen kaikkia tilanteita. Hän teki mitä oli tehtävä. Jos ainoa tapa, jolla hän voisi tehdä rahaa, oli tehdä vesipalloa, hän teki vesipallon.
JS: Ha. Ja hänellä oli tämä upea naurua. Ja hän oli ehkä surkea, eikö? Ehkä tämä oli hänen dadaistinsa tai jopa absurdisti.
MP: Cage pysyi kanssani Stanfordissa, kun meillä oli suuri Cagefest vuonna 1992, ei kauan ennen hänen ennenaikaista kuolemaansa. Kävin ystäväni kehotuksesta luomutuotteiden myymälään ostamaan kaiken tämän erikoisen maapähkinävoita ja banaaneja ja niin edelleen, jotka sopisivat hänen makrobiottisen ruokavalionsa. Ja ensimmäinen ilta, hän sanoi naurettavasti: ”Olisin todella voinut mennä suurelle mehukkaalle pihalle.” Tietenkin hän ei! Mutta se on Cage-puolen kirja, joka tulee ulos kirjaimista. Yhdessä kirjeessä Pariisin vanhemmille hän kertoo, kuinka suuri sosiaalinen elämä on, kuinka monta kiehtovaa taiteilijaa hän on tavannut! Mutta hän tuntee myös tekevänsä liikaa juoksevaa ja juhlia, ja hänen pitäisi päästä töihin – jota hän voi tehdä vain New Yorkissa – mutta sitten taas kuinka ihana se on Pariisissa!
JS: Kuulostaa was capable of be very open with his mother and father.
MP: To an extent, although in fact not about his personal life. Oh, and there’s one pleasant letter [July 1944] he wrote shortly after he and Merce Cunningham had develop into lovers, when he was nonetheless married to Xenia. “pardon the intrusion, but when in september [sic] will you be back? I would like to measure my breath in relation to the air between us.”
JS: A bit more flirtatious than you’d anticipate from the quickly-to-be scholar of Buddhism, with its emphasis on curbing want.
MP: Here’s one other nice one from 1944: “Dear Merce, Saturday night, nearly went crazy, because not solving my problems until they occur, I very suddenly realized you were gone. …” And he comforts himself by including, “It’s very simple now, because I’m looking forward to seeing you again rather than backward to having seen you recently. That’s a happy way to be.”
JS: I sit up for seeing you once more. Somewhat than backward to having seen you latterly. That reads like a short poem.
MP: Isn’t that a pretty assertion? Right here’s another one: “So, your spirit is with me. Did you send it or do I just have it?” That’s the uniquely Cagean tone I like a lot.
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